TEA WITH TIA: TOO MANY FASCIST MONUMENTS IN ITALY, LET’S TAKE THEM ALL DOWN?

TEA WITH TIA: TOO MANY FASCIST MONUMENTS IN ITALY, LET’S TAKE THEM ALL DOWN?


why are so many fascist monuments still standing in Italy somebody on Twitter showed me this article that was written in the New York Times and it was essentially this article talking about all the fascist monuments that are still standing in Italy and I read it because you know I was pretty curious to see what fascist monuments they were talking about because I’ve never seen one the real point of writing this piece I guess was to put Italy in comparison to USA in USA’s current battle to remove all of its Confederate statues and everything linking to the American Confederate past independent of any identity politics I’m of the mindset of I don’t really care what happens to any of these Confederate factories because in my opinion they should have never been put up in the first place when do you have a country that goes to into Civil War one side wins another side loses and you let the side that loses the side that wanted to break away from the country for whatever reason still like maintain those ideas still fester that hatred put up monuments to their heroes who are actually traitors to the state but that’s exactly what happened in America after the Civil War once the American government kind of caved to the South gave up on its reconstruction efforts in the south and gave up on its efforts to you know heal the nation into one after the Civil War they let the south do pretty much whatever they wanted and one of the things the South did after the Civil War was they put up a bunch of statues honoring their generals their soldiers their whatever I think that the erection of these statues along with the enactment of the Jim Crow laws along with segregation were all just a way to kind of assert the white supremacy that they’ve always wanted in the south that’s why we see that these statues were all erected post-civil war post-reconstruction era and also again during the 1960’s during the civil rights movement that’s when these statues came up not during the war not during the Confederacy these were all things that the South did after for me I don’t care what you do with the statues I don’t care if you burned them I don’t care if you move them someplace else in my mind they were never supposed to be up and as for the people that say yeah but you can’t erase history you’re right you can’t erase history and you’re not erasing history by taking down these statues you’re not you don’t learn history from statues you learn history from textbooks and maybe if you’re States you’d stop manipulating what is written in certain states as textbooks and if you would teach history the way it really is and not how you want it to be taught then you wouldn’t have to worry about people knowing history or not knowing history taking down statues doesn’t affect anybody’s knowledge of history because you know what I know American history and I didn’t even know that some of these statues existed people say that you should just remove these statues into a museum okay but I would say what Museum the Museum of how the South wanted to react to losing the war by erecting a bunch of useless statues to honor their traitorous ancestors museum because that’s the museum it would have to go in it wouldn’t be able to go into a Civil War Museum because like I said these statues were all erected after the Civil War and they were erected to to assert white supremacy in the south now we move on to the bigger argument the argument now is that we can’t just stop at monuments we have to take down everything that had to do with the Confederacy I think that’s a little bit extreme I think that that loses the point that’s where we see the confusion and probably why this professor thought that Italy would be a great example to use I don’t know why there’s a difference between a statue honoring the fascist and a statue built by a fascist same thing in America there’s a difference between statues and monuments built during the Confederate period during the Confederacy and statues built to honor be Confederacy you get it but I think any logical person is asking in America is that why are there statues honoring rebellious traders that try to rip the nation apart why are there statues honoring them these aren’t statues showing me that they existed or telling me about what happened these are statues literally honoring them why are those still standing why in America do we have statues honoring people that did human experiments on slaves why do eyes a black person have to look at that every day I don’t think anybody’s saying oh my god let’s get rid of everything that a connection with the past because if you did that you’d have to get rid of everything in America the first building that you’d have to take down would have to be the White House since it was built by slaves and I don’t think that any of us are ready to do that black or white I don’t think that any of us were ever asking for that but you know it’s really easy to just go to the extremes it’s always really easy to just go to the extremes and that’s what brings me to the what to Italy I mean there’s a difference between statues honoring fascists and statues built by fascists the article itself even talks about how after the war all of the monuments honoring Mussolini were ordered to be destroyed and all of the obvious fascist relics were in order to be covered removed or moved to a museum the article then is talking about like buildings roads hospitals because Mussolini also built these things I mean he did a lot of shit but he also built roads hospital and commissioned artistic monuments to be made now does this mean that Italy needs to take them all down because they were made by Mussolini before the war Italy was a struggling Kingdom it was a new country there was a lot of poverty that’s why we saw a lot of immigration from Italy to other parts of the world Italy was in a really fragile state which was why somebody like Mussolini was even able to come to power so when he came to power he built a lot of stuff and you know what can we do about it like I said are we going to tear down the White House just because it was built by slaves and the people that were working in it half of them were slave owners I think not as long as it’s not a statue that says all hail Mussolini I don’t see the problem just like I’m saying we should be getting rid of the statues that say yay Confederacy good job to the south if you want to compare Italy versus USA and their reactions to the past we can talk about how it took 200 years for America to say hey maybe we shouldn’t have like you know white supremists tattoos hanging around our country whereas in Italy it’s illegal to be a fascist there are neo fascist parties but honestly they’re not really even neo fashion nobody takes them seriously and the worst thing that they talk about is immigrants and deporting them all meanwhile in America we have our alright our far right talking about white genocide and the need to make a white ethnos see that’s the difference between Italy versus USA I really don’t know what this comparison served in this article I don’t know if they were trying to make Americans feel better about the current situation by saying hey there are other countries in the world just like us even though they’re not but all I think this article really served to do was make Americans like me that live in Italy look like idiots because once again American media is totally missing the point nobody is saying we need to drag down everything that has to do with American past all we’re saying is that maybe we shouldn’t have statues that honor people that weren’t so great people that did experiments on human slaves people that gained off of the exploitation of people people that fought on the wrong side of a war why do we have statues honoring them I’m sorry that Mussolini built a hospital and the Italians don’t really want to destroy said hospital I’m sorry that Mussolini built monuments that are aesthetically pleasing and don’t say anything about fascism on them but you know I wouldn’t even have known those were fascist monuments if I didn’t read this article to be honest because if you look at them it’s not like there’s an inscription that says little block they they’re just two completely different things you’re America we need to get our shit together we need to decide what we’re gonna do and we really need to stop like taking things out of context taking things to the extreme because I don’t know when oh I don’t think that we should have a statue of honor in these rebellious traders move to let’s burn down everything that has a link to the American like to American history I don’t know I don’t know I was all for the statue movement until they got crazy which is how it ends up being with most American movements I don’t know why I guess if I was going to say take a message from this video it’s just remember the difference between statue honoring a fascist statue built by ashes statue honoring white supremacy statue built by white supremacy cue the comments that say I am excusing fascism in three-two-one

46 thoughts on “TEA WITH TIA: TOO MANY FASCIST MONUMENTS IN ITALY, LET’S TAKE THEM ALL DOWN?

  1. The civil war was not about white supremacy, it was about political and economic power. The south was losing political supremacy it had since the rebellion of the 13 colonies cause demographics and immigration, and decided to seced.

  2. monuments are just pieces of material. who likes history, like i do, compares history books, and goes to the library. and i'm a ''liberale'', which doesn't mean ''liberal'', but ''lover of individual freedom''. basically, i dislike extreme positions: left, right, North, South. i'm an italianamerican born in groton, ct, now living in italy, historian and psychoanalyst . you can trust me. by the way, i like black girls a lot. but only american ones, not african. because they believe in strange things, very superstitious, and irrational. when i was 20, i got with a pretty african girl: after 6 months i ran away

  3. I'm sorry Tia even if I usually agree with you this time I can't. These pieces (may be architecture, sculpture ecc.) are historically and artistically important. You may learn history from text books but to make text books you need historical pieces which can explain it to you and maintaining them it's a way to keep inalterated many sources of different informations. I can agree on moving them in indoor places open to the public instead of having them in the squares or in the streets (if we're obviously talking about pieces that permit that not like architecture) but destroy them or get rid of them it's a very stupid thing. The fascist period was not just the fascist period, many other things happened and they deserve remembrance! It's like saying that we should destroy all the art linked to the catholic church just because of all the terrible things that it did for centuries.

  4. Come ti permetti imbecille mangia caramelle,l'Arte Fascista e' ispirata adornamentale e storica
    ed appartiene al Popolo
    Italiano,e se a te non piace in Italy non ci andare,nessuno ti cerca
    stronza.
    l' Italia vera era ed e' Fascista A NOI, DUCE!

  5. Quindi si comincia a distruggere un SJW(P. S. Tia,se mai leggerai questo commento ti prego di rispondere)::
    1-Just thinking,la storia non si può cancellare :/
    La storia rimane,cancellare il fascismo dalla faccia del Bel Paese è come cancellare il nazismo in Germania e/o il confederatismo del Sud negli States.
    2-Sono monumenti,non strutture che inneggiano.
    3-Ti ricordo che per gran parte non sono monumenti storici che contengono frasi razziste.
    4-Il fascismo é un misto di :
    Socialismo
    Nazionalismo
    LIBERALISMO
    5-Il fascismo non si basa sul razzismo come il nazionalsocialismo.

  6. Bravissima. Un discorso molto lucido e consapevole. Dimostri di avere sulla storia recente italiana una visione più chiara di tanti italiani.

  7. Il we survived to 29 crysis is for fascism, but what do you want to know about italy…you re american, 11/9 is Made by your government, you are worldwide criminals

  8. Because we are not idiots, barbarians, hypocrites and false two faced people like the americans and dont delete history because we know art and architecture are a cultural treasure.

  9. voi americani non avete storia e non potete capire il concetto storico di qualsiasi epoca e tra le due guerre tutti immigravano da ogni parte del mondo, francia germania polonia irlanda austria italia tutti immigravano

  10. Salvini is going to be the next prime minister. Prepare to go back to your liberal race mixing cesspool in the USA. I hope Russia and China destroy the USA. Death to Jewmerica!

  11. La differenza tra noi e gli americani è che noi abbiamo una cultura millenaria riguardo le opere d'arte e siamo quindi anche capaci di valutarle semplicemente come tali a prescindere da ciò che simboleggiano.
    Dovremmo bruciare tutti i quadri che simboleggiano guerre? Nemmeno il Vaticano avrebbe il coraggio di cancellare quadri che rappresentano l'Inferno… Qui l'arte ha un valore. Chi ha commissionato le statue era fascista ma chi le ha realizzate era un artista, a prescindere dal suo credo politico.

  12. Non credo che in Italia vi siano statue in onore a dei fascisti. Di sicuro sono presenti numerosi edifici dal caratteristico stile architettonico fascista e recanti ancora motti dell'epoca.
    Allo stesso modo per fortuna non abbiamo più strade intitolate a personaggi che hanno dato il loro contributo a quel periodo o a politici che negli anni successivi sono apparsi molto prossimi a quell'ideologia.
    A proposito… sì perché qui da noi, da oltre duemila anni, le strade portano il nome di personaggi illustri del mondo della cultura e della storia, spesso noti in tutto il mondo, della politica o che si siano distinti per particolari meriti civili o militari; tanti ne abbiamo che non bastano le strade.
    Non sterili numeri…
    Bye!

  13. Hello, so interesting article, and your video great! What I can add against this article? One thing over all is that where are this fascist statues? I mean nowhere o extremely rare!! Buildings are buildings, they could built something during 20 years of fascism. (and not all so well) A statue of an athlete is a statue of athlete. Was even the man/model of the statue fascist? lol.. We can't destroy them, even if I don' t like the "900 style" that was one style of art liked at the time by fascism system, but was an art style of the period (can be that art show the soul of things, and sincerly their art seems creepy to me, and statue have idiot/stupid faces, and also created some trouble to the artists themselves because sometimes they painted Mussolini quite as a monster). Could be in a little town some of this buildings? I don't know where they are. Or where there was the last fascism "nation" Repubblica di Salò near Lake of Garda, on the grave of Mussolini himself… you probably will find his effigy. Elsewhere the effigies of Mussolini were scratched away from any buildings, there is a law against symbol of fascism. You can see around in the city of Milano, or in Train Central Station Mussolini portrait with no more head.. when you arrive with the train..Nobody can put anywhere, if there are must be destroyed. Some symbols as "fascio littorio" are so similar to normal things or were taken by the fascism from more ancient symbols, so that survived more. I see a lot on that on manholes in the streets of Rome but you must look for them. The words on the Eur are no fascist words but a typical way we describe ourselves when we want to feel the best in the world..So normal, how they did translate it?!! The "Casa del fascio" in Como was so important in Italian architecture history that for years the name was that. But now changed finally the name. And you know why? Because there are now fears of a real upcoming back of fascism ideology. So It became necessary. I have more fears of that problem that on buildings that aren't fascist, lol, but fascism period built,. This upcoming back ideology is a problem we have in the world, and also this article comes from this fear probably. Fascism is a perverted ideology not a matter of bricks. Normally fascism system destroy buildings and statues of the past… that's interesting also..

  14. If citizens of all eras always had wiped out the remnants of the former eras, today we'd have no past and no history from which to learn. The US is a recent country and its relatively short history is a pretty obvious reason why the American perspective upon this matter can diverge from ours that much.

  15. We have to distinguish between monuments and celebration symbols, from public buildings from the fascist era. The first ones are erased (eagles, fasci littori, images of Mussolini and so on), and it's even a crime to sell small objects that can be considered supportive of fascism in antiquities markets.
    Buildings are another thing. Got rid of specific symbols, they remain just ugly, cold, dim and sad in their flamboyant straightness, reminding us the whole mindset of that era and what we don't want to be anymore.
    One thing I believe they should really erase in Italy are streets names dedicated to the "conquers", the "victories" and the "military leaders" of Italian fascist colonialism. That's not just a reminder of a part of our past, that's plain celebration. Nope. Especially now that in those same places in Libya new atrocities are happening. I mean, I work in a shelter camp for asylum seekers and I feel disturbed by the fact that the street to my former high school bears the same name as the city where tens of people I know were tortured and imprisoned for no reason.

  16. Calling the confederate soldiers traitors is a proof of your complete lack of understanding of the concept of federal state. Look into biography of Robert E. Lee – he almost bacame a military leader for the north, but he came to conclusion that he owes his loyalty to the state more than to the federal government. Conflicting loyalties is not a case of treason.

  17. Tia should read the U.S. Constitution and be educated about the right of states to decide. i.e.,. -There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandating that ANY statues of any political stripe be AntiFa fascist (forcibly) removed from cities or states.
    California and NY, etc., would not appreciate being forced to adhere to the monument dictates of politically polar opposite states. Upshot: It all depended on who's ideological oz is being gored.
    Example: Millions of America want no honors bestowed on Democrat Party Obama/Hillary abortionists & partial birth abortionists championing & aiding and abetting the mass exterminations and scientific experiments on over 60 million innocent human beings since ROE 1973. Ditto the same Lib Dems advancing racist identity politics & Third World Imperialist lawless foreign invasions to ethnically cleanse the U.S. electorate to replace with Democrat Party voting demographics so Libs can call the shots and control the purse strings. –Racist.
    Question: If foreign invaders from the most systemically dysfunctional, corrupt and violent countries in the world Latin America, Africa & Islam are such great cultures why aren't they setting the example for prosperity, justice and peace on their own turf instead of invading the West?
     –A History not taught in Tia's Lib universities: There existed FAR more White slaves in the 19th Century than the 2-3 million black slaves in the south. Russian White serfs ("liberated" in 1881) accounted for 23 million slaves in the West who had no more rights than Black slaves in the U.S and who's living conditions were far WORSE. Add to that post Russian Revolution 20 million White Russian serfs were purposely exterminated by Lenin & Stalin. Ditto the enslaved Irish endured British induced mass genocide killing over 1 million Irish. In the last century alone Nazis, Marxist Stalinists & Maoists exterminated tens of millions of White & Asian populations. Note: "White Supremacist" didn't do that to blacks in U.S. However, Black governments in Africa did mass exterminate blacks in African nations which is still ongoing to this day. Africa is currently the leading human traffiker of Blacks in the world.
    The greatest threat to Blacks in America isn't so called "White Supremacists"–it's Black on Black Chicago style systemic violence in Black controlled inner cities–ditto Black very high drop out, illegitimacy, welfare & crime rates worldwide.
    Note. No ethnic group endured a greater history of enslavement, discrimination ,persecution, pogroms, ghettoization than Jews (ditto 6 million Nazi exterminated in the 1940s) and Jews have never hustled the victim industry card and have always had managed low drop out, illegitimacy, welfare & crime rates. –Instead of blaming "racism" Blacks & their 60 odd Black ruled nations globally need to take responsibility for their own destiny. –Culture is key.
    Incidentally, were America's Founding Founders "rebellious traitors trying to rip" the British Empire apart?

  18. Mussolini was a man of great ideas and a person who only lived to create a better society and his monuments and buildings reflect the culture of old italy as it was meant to be to take down these monuments is to destroy the soul of italy

  19. I like this analysis, at first I thought you were gonna be on the opposite side, generally I feel like most Americans are so close minded regarding history and foreign countries, but you are truly rapidly coming along with the european/italian mind set, Can I say Im proud? Hahah I feel like your videos finally talk some sense into many of your (Italian and American) followers' heads

  20. Erasing history will only further the peoples minds away from the truth. And truth and reality isn't always pleasent but as the quote goes "those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it", and potentially not even know it.

  21. In Italia (**QUASI**) tutti i momumenti raffiguranti o immediatamente riconducibili a Mussolini sono stati smantellati dopo la 2a guerra, assieme ai più significativi simbolismi di quel regime. Il "marchio" estetico ed architettonico erroneamente attribuito al fascismo è in realtà un marchio dello specifico momento storico italiano (neoclassicismo/futurismo) e sarebbe esistito anche senza Mussolini, percui sbaglieremmo se volessimo attribuirglielo.
    Purtroppo oggi noi Italiani corriamo il rischio di ripercorrere errori passati, non per l'eccesso di memoria simbolica, ma piuttosto per l'assenza di memoria storica.

  22. Tia, I just don't understand why it would affect only black people, if these were human experiments. I don't think you should limit th eoffence just to a certain ethincity, and separate Americans because of their skin colour. I think if they did harm to slaves, then I don't think AMERICANS want to see it, not just Blacks

  23. basically all the roman emperor and all roman architecture……..go back to america is better for you…there is no place i italy for the kind of foregniers you are

  24. Credo che questo sia l'unico tuo video in cui mi trovo in disaccordo. Il Fascismo è stato una dittatura e un periodo orribile, che dopo un' iniziale crescita economica è piombato negli abissi dell'orrore umano e in una guerra che ha devastato anche l'Italia, impoverendola e lasciandola in macerie. D'accordissimo sul rimuovere ogni riferimento diretto al fascismo o inneggiamenti a personaggi dell'epoca e al duce (tra l'altro esiste il reato di apologia di fascismo, quindi è vietato per legge). Ma un conto è abbattere statue o effigi in onore, cosa che credo sia stata fatta quasi ovunque. Un altro sarebbe demolire edifici storici su cui non c'è un messaggio fascista, ma sono stati espressione artistica di quell'epoca. A Roma c'è il Colosseo. Là i gladiatori perivano durante i combattimenti per far esultare i nobili che li guardavano dagli spalti. E allora che si fa, demoliamo del tutto il Colosseo perchè era teatro di morti cruente? No, perchè è una memoria storica-architettonica dell'Antichità. La Stazione Centrale di Milano – che è davvero notevole architettonicamente- è stata edificata così tra il 1925 e il 1931. La si dovrebbe abbattere solo per il periodo storico in cui è stata rinnovata, anche se non inneggia a nessun personaggio di quell'epoca? Direi di no.
    Cmq subito finita la guerra furono gli stessi italiani a fare a pezzi statue o busti dedicati a Mussolini.

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